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		<title>By: Rick Beckman</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5064</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re confused, Claude... Nobody really expects anyone to &lt;em&gt;keep&lt;/em&gt; campaign promises. They&#039;re like movie trailers -- they can make any movie look funny/action packed/emotional/awesome, no matter how lame/dull/boring/fail it is. Nothin&#039; but advertising, all of it, and we all know how honest ads are.

But by God, we&#039;re Americans, and we have the right to be swindled by any manufacturer, producer, or politician that we want.

Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I&#039;m going to go dry the Great Lakes with my ShamWow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’re confused, Claude… Nobody really expects anyone to <em>keep</em> campaign promises. They’re like movie trailers — they can make any movie look funny/action packed/emotional/awesome, no matter how lame/dull/boring/fail it is. Nothin’ but advertising, all of it, and we all know how honest ads are.</p>
<p>But by God, we’re Americans, and we have the right to be swindled by any manufacturer, producer, or politician that we want.</p>
<p>Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go dry the Great Lakes with my ShamWow.</p>
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		<title>By: Claude</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5060</link>
		<dc:creator>Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this, the new era of responsibility, weren&#039;t we supposed to be able to find these bills on one of the administration&#039;s many sites for review? As far as I know, this bill was amended at 3AM the day of the vote, and those changes were not merged into the final bill before it was passed...? Didn&#039;t the same thing happened with the so-called stimulus bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this, the new era of responsibility, weren’t we supposed to be able to find these bills on one of the administration’s many sites for review? As far as I know, this bill was amended at 3AM the day of the vote, and those changes were not merged into the final bill before it was passed…? Didn’t the same thing happened with the so-called stimulus bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Senior</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5055</link>
		<dc:creator>Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now see that the &quot;placeholder&quot; that Michelle Malkin referenced was in the bill &quot;reported in the House&quot;, but it is not in the bill passed by the house.  So Michelle is citing the wrong version.  Since the bill passed on June 26 and Michelle posted July 1 I think that&#039;s a pretty big mistake, if it is one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now see that the “placeholder” that Michelle Malkin referenced was in the bill “reported in the House”, but it is not in the bill passed by the house.  So Michelle is citing the wrong version.  Since the bill passed on June 26 and Michelle posted July 1 I think that’s a pretty big mistake, if it is one.</p>
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		<title>By: Senior</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see my link to the bill is bad.

If you go here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html

and search for:

American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

You should be able to find your way to the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see my link to the bill is bad.</p>
<p>If you go here: <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html" rel="nofollow">http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html</a></p>
<p>and search for:</p>
<p>American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)</p>
<p>You should be able to find your way to the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Senior</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator>Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read the bill, so I cannot speak to the specifics that Benjamin lists.  I would note that neither he nor the web site he links to make any effort to  document the claims.

I did see that Jammie Wearing Fool links to Michelle Malkin who tries to claim that there is a &quot;placeholder&quot; in the bill.  I encourage everyone to take a look:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/01/here-is-the-cap-and-tax-placeholder-wheres-the-fine-print/

Now, if it isn&#039;t too much trouble, you might want to go to the actual bill on line

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2454.EH:

and scroll down to the appropriate part of the table of contents, you will see that no such entry exists.  (It is past halfway down.  If you do a find for &quot;subtitle B&quot; it will be the third occurance, I believe).

So, lots of unsubstantiated claims and an outright, lets be generous, mistake.

Very convincing.

Make no mistake, if the bill requires I upgrade the windows before selling the house or that I pay a consultant for a study before I replace a window, etc., I will agree the bill should not pass.  But I need evidence, not just claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read the bill, so I cannot speak to the specifics that Benjamin lists.  I would note that neither he nor the web site he links to make any effort to  document the claims.</p>
<p>I did see that Jammie Wearing Fool links to Michelle Malkin who tries to claim that there is a “placeholder” in the bill.  I encourage everyone to take a look:</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/01/here-is-the-cap-and-tax-placeholder-wheres-the-fine-print/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/01/here-is-the-cap-and-tax-placeholder-wheres-the-fine-print/</a></p>
<p>Now, if it isn’t too much trouble, you might want to go to the actual bill on line</p>
<p><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2454.EH" rel="nofollow">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2454.EH</a>:</p>
<p>and scroll down to the appropriate part of the table of contents, you will see that no such entry exists.  (It is past halfway down.  If you do a find for “subtitle B” it will be the third occurance, I believe).</p>
<p>So, lots of unsubstantiated claims and an outright, lets be generous, mistake.</p>
<p>Very convincing.</p>
<p>Make no mistake, if the bill requires I upgrade the windows before selling the house or that I pay a consultant for a study before I replace a window, etc., I will agree the bill should not pass.  But I need evidence, not just claims.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Republican Congressman says Cap and Trade will be good for America.
And, he caught the Green River Killer.
Did you catch the Green River Killer?
No, no you didn’t.
You can hear his interview here.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=194&amp;sid=184941

Dave Reichert SPEAKS: says Cap and Trade will be good for America
He argued that the expense would not be what the Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation, and Wall Street Journal were predicting. He argued that it would cost around $.48 per day and that we would have better national security, more nuclear, coal and refining capabilities, and a cleaner environment with the bill. He argued that the conservative arguments against were mistaken, and that Washington specifically would be better off even though the bill was imperfect.

And, he caught the Green River Killer.

Yeah, it took him a couple of decades, but better late than never.
I hear Fox was thinking about making the Series 24 about Reichert. But instead of showing 24 hours in a day they would have to make each episode a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Republican Congressman says Cap and Trade will be good for America.<br />
And, he caught the Green River Killer.<br />
Did you catch the Green River Killer?<br />
No, no you didn’t.<br />
You can hear his interview here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=194&amp;sid=184941" rel="nofollow">http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=194&amp;sid=184941</a></p>
<p>Dave Reichert SPEAKS: says Cap and Trade will be good for America<br />
He argued that the expense would not be what the Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation, and Wall Street Journal were predicting. He argued that it would cost around $.48 per day and that we would have better national security, more nuclear, coal and refining capabilities, and a cleaner environment with the bill. He argued that the conservative arguments against were mistaken, and that Washington specifically would be better off even though the bill was imperfect.</p>
<p>And, he caught the Green River Killer.</p>
<p>Yeah, it took him a couple of decades, but better late than never.<br />
I hear Fox was thinking about making the Series 24 about Reichert. But instead of showing 24 hours in a day they would have to make each episode a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ficker</title>
		<link>http://rickbeckman.org/cap-and-trade-in-a-nutshell/#comment-5046</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ficker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the monthly energy costs, the costs for just about everything related to owning a home (landlords own and would have to pass the costs on to tenants) are incredible.  I&#039;m in real estate and this bill will will definitely affect my clients.  Check out this out from &lt;a href=&#039;http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/06/republicans-pass-cap-and-trade.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JamieWearingFool&lt;/a&gt;

Beyond what it will do to our economy, at the end of the debate House GOP Leader John Boehner took to the floor and started reading from the 300 page amendment that the Democrats drafted and dropped on the legislatures at 3 AM, there was literally hundred of items to impose federal control over your life. Here are some highlights.

Want to replace a window? Not so fast. First you must pay for an appraisal of your house to measure its energy efficiency and receive calculations of both before and after the proposed change. Hey, it may be a great excuse for those guys trying to avoid putting in that big bay style window that the missus has been bugging you about.

Are you having a new house built? Back up, Skippy. This bill includes language that tells you exactly where you can put your electrical outlets.

Did you know that for one sort of appraisal service related to determining energy efficiency there is only one company you can use? Yup, it is right in there along with the name of the company. How is it that this one company managed to land the only contract to service 300 million Americans? Who is this company?

I wish I could answer those questions, but all of those provisions and more, Rep. Boehner went on for almost an hour citing them and still didn’t get through the whole 300 pages, is not available. You see because of when the Democrats dropped this amendment at 3 AM the text of it is not available. So much for that transparency. The total bill runs on for more then 1500 pages and it controls every aspect of your life, from what type of car we will be able to produce and buy to what type of appliances you have in your house.

Under some of these provisions you won’t be able to sell your house. Got your eyes and a quaint little place out the way and off the beaten path? Forget about it. By the time you went through the time and expense to get it up to the new code proposed in this legislation that little place in the woods will resemble something out the Jetsons.

So for those who were at work and getting ready for their weekend, and were simply tired of the wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jackson, you came just one more step closer to being less free today then you were yesterday. And by the way, Congress has blown town for a two-week vacation. It is hard work turning a Republic into a Socialist state. This must be stopped in the Senate.

My biggest fear now, however, is if the Republicans couldn’t stop this, a bill that will throw hundreds of thousands if not millions out of work as the companies they work for go belly up or leave the country and imposed what amounts to a national homeowners association on all of us, what chance do they have of stopping the nationalized health care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the monthly energy costs, the costs for just about everything related to owning a home (landlords own and would have to pass the costs on to tenants) are incredible.  I’m in real estate and this bill will will definitely affect my clients.  Check out this out from <a href='http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/06/republicans-pass-cap-and-trade.html' rel="nofollow">JamieWearingFool</a></p>
<p>Beyond what it will do to our economy, at the end of the debate House GOP Leader John Boehner took to the floor and started reading from the 300 page amendment that the Democrats drafted and dropped on the legislatures at 3 AM, there was literally hundred of items to impose federal control over your life. Here are some highlights.</p>
<p>Want to replace a window? Not so fast. First you must pay for an appraisal of your house to measure its energy efficiency and receive calculations of both before and after the proposed change. Hey, it may be a great excuse for those guys trying to avoid putting in that big bay style window that the missus has been bugging you about.</p>
<p>Are you having a new house built? Back up, Skippy. This bill includes language that tells you exactly where you can put your electrical outlets.</p>
<p>Did you know that for one sort of appraisal service related to determining energy efficiency there is only one company you can use? Yup, it is right in there along with the name of the company. How is it that this one company managed to land the only contract to service 300 million Americans? Who is this company?</p>
<p>I wish I could answer those questions, but all of those provisions and more, Rep. Boehner went on for almost an hour citing them and still didn’t get through the whole 300 pages, is not available. You see because of when the Democrats dropped this amendment at 3 AM the text of it is not available. So much for that transparency. The total bill runs on for more then 1500 pages and it controls every aspect of your life, from what type of car we will be able to produce and buy to what type of appliances you have in your house.</p>
<p>Under some of these provisions you won’t be able to sell your house. Got your eyes and a quaint little place out the way and off the beaten path? Forget about it. By the time you went through the time and expense to get it up to the new code proposed in this legislation that little place in the woods will resemble something out the Jetsons.</p>
<p>So for those who were at work and getting ready for their weekend, and were simply tired of the wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jackson, you came just one more step closer to being less free today then you were yesterday. And by the way, Congress has blown town for a two-week vacation. It is hard work turning a Republic into a Socialist state. This must be stopped in the Senate.</p>
<p>My biggest fear now, however, is if the Republicans couldn’t stop this, a bill that will throw hundreds of thousands if not millions out of work as the companies they work for go belly up or leave the country and imposed what amounts to a national homeowners association on all of us, what chance do they have of stopping the nationalized health care?</p>
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