Comments on: Five Signs You Might Be Using a Counterfeit Bible http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/ The KingdomGeek is Rick Beckman: husband, thinker, blogger, post-Christian seeker, and all-around geek. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:21:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Curt Biggar http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-4310 Curt Biggar Wed, 06 May 2009 14:20:31 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-4310 Rick, Great article. I would like to ask people like Terry: So what version should the Chinese read? Is there a Chinese King James Version that we don't know of? Rick,
Great article. I would like to ask people like Terry:
So what version should the Chinese read? Is there a Chinese King James Version that we don’t know of?

]]> By: Micah John http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-4215 Micah John Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:38:39 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-4215 Apparently the other one didn’t show up! It seems John 3:16 is another one of these verses: see <a href="http://www.av1611.org/niv.html" rel="nofollow">‘The New International PERVersion’</a>. Enjoy . . . Apparently the other one didn’t show up!
It seems John 3:16 is another one of these verses: see ‘The New International PERVersion’.
Enjoy …

]]> By: Micah John http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-4214 Micah John Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:35:58 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-4214 Oh, sorry for the multiple comments, but I thought this blog post was good: <a href="http://fromtheheartofpastorkenny.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-i-will-only-read-king-james-bible.html" rel="nofollow">‘Why I Will Only Read the King James Bible’</a>. Oh, sorry for the multiple comments, but I thought this blog post was good: ‘Why I Will Only Read the King James Bible’.

]]> By: Micah John http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-4213 Micah John Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:34:28 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-4213 Apparently John 3:16 is another one of these verses: see <a>http://www.av1611.org/niv.html</a>. Apparently John 3:16 is another one of these verses: see http://www.av1611.org/niv.html.

]]> By: Micah John http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-4212 Micah John Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:32:53 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-4212 You forgot to mention that the many other verses included John 3:16. Apparently, if the phrase ‘only begotten’ is not used, it’s a perversion: see <a href="http://www.av1611.org/niv.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.av1611.org/niv.html</a>. You forgot to mention that the many other verses included John 3:16. Apparently, if the phrase ‘only begotten’ is not used, it’s a perversion: see http://www.av1611.org/niv.html.

]]> By: Bryan http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-3389 Bryan Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:37:56 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-3389 I have to say this is the first time I have heard the term 'Onlyism'. And now that I have, I understand why I am skeptical of so many of these so called 'Bible Study' groups. When I study something, I want to know the truth of it, the real truth of it, not the party line that some sub-sect of Christianity is touting. I haven't met or ever heard of Terry, but I imagine if I ever got in a discussion with him (or any of these Onlyists for that matter), within two minutes he'd be pointing his finger at me with righteous indignation, chanting "Blasphemer!" If one is making a case for the authenticity of the KJV, the following historical facts need to be considered. -The KJV was brought to us in early 1600's by King James. It is widely held that he did so at the insistence of Queen Elizabeth only because she wanted a common Bible to stop the squabbling amongst the subjects of England, because there were nearly 75 Bibles in circulation at the time. -William Tindall, the first to translate the Bible into English, was hunted and burned at the stake as a heretic. And yet, if one compares the Tindall Bible to the KJV, one finds that the KJV is about 70% Tindall translation. (talk about shooting the messenger) No matter which version one prefers, one still must take into account these additional points. Jesus was a Jew of the Essene sect who spoke Aramaic. His words were translated into Greek a couple hundred years later. And those words were again translated into English many hundreds of years after that. So what's my point? If you want to study something to know the truth of it, there are times when you have to read between the lines and make judgement calls and interpretations. You also have to be able to put yourself into the translators cultural time and place. There are vast cultural and time differences between the Hebrews of Jesus' time, the Greeks, the Elizabethan British and modern day Americans. Even now, consider the language differences between British and American English or the difference between someone from Boston conversing with someone with a deep Southern accent. I don't know where it came from, but I was imbued with the capacity for questioning and discernment. And I have to say, I have less and less patience for those who call me sinner and accuse me of being an agent of Lucifer when I use that discernment and it runs afoul of their intrepetations. "You shall KNOW the truth and the truth shall set you free".... Notice it does not say, you shall BELIEVE the truth. I have to say this is the first time I have heard the term ‘Onlyism’. And now that I have, I understand why I am skeptical of so many of these so called ‘Bible Study’ groups. When I study something, I want to know the truth of it, the real truth of it, not the party line that some sub-sect of Christianity is touting. I haven’t met or ever heard of Terry, but I imagine if I ever got in a discussion with him (or any of these Onlyists for that matter), within two minutes he’d be pointing his finger at me with righteous indignation, chanting “Blasphemer!”

If one is making a case for the authenticity of the KJV, the following historical facts need to be considered.
–The KJV was brought to us in early 1600’s by King James. It is widely held that he did so at the insistence of Queen Elizabeth only because she wanted a common Bible to stop the squabbling amongst the subjects of England, because there were nearly 75 Bibles in circulation at the time.
–William Tindall, the first to translate the Bible into English, was hunted and burned at the stake as a heretic. And yet, if one compares the Tindall Bible to the KJV, one finds that the KJV is about 70% Tindall translation. (talk about shooting the messenger)

No matter which version one prefers, one still must take into account these additional points. Jesus was a Jew of the Essene sect who spoke Aramaic. His words were translated into Greek a couple hundred years later. And those words were again translated into English many hundreds of years after that.

So what’s my point? If you want to study something to know the truth of it, there are times when you have to read between the lines and make judgement calls and interpretations. You also have to be able to put yourself into the translators cultural time and place. There are vast cultural and time differences between the Hebrews of Jesus’ time, the Greeks, the Elizabethan British and modern day Americans. Even now, consider the language differences between British and American English or the difference between someone from Boston conversing with someone with a deep Southern accent.

I don’t know where it came from, but I was imbued with the capacity for questioning and discernment. And I have to say, I have less and less patience for those who call me sinner and accuse me of being an agent of Lucifer when I use that discernment and it runs afoul of their intrepetations.

“You shall KNOW the truth and the truth shall set you free”.… Notice it does not say, you shall BELIEVE the truth.

]]> By: Brandon http://rickbeckman.org/five-signs-you-might-be-using-a-counterfeit-bible/#comment-3024 Brandon Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:10:19 +0000 http://rickbeckman.org/?p=1391#comment-3024 With reference to Genesis 22:8 , the John 1 reference is not listed as a fulfillment of Abraham's statement in Genesis 22 so what John the Baptist states regarding the 'Lamb of God' is useful in a typical sense but not a prophetic one. Terry's statement also demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the types especially with regard to the burnt offering. The burnt offering was a picture of what satisfied God, as it is associated with Christ, it is especially interested with the satisfaction of God in both the life and death of Christ. With reference to Genesis 22:8 , the John 1 reference is not listed as a fulfillment of Abraham’s statement in Genesis 22 so what John the Baptist states regarding the ‘Lamb of God’ is useful in a typical sense but not a prophetic one.

Terry’s statement also demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the types especially with regard to the burnt offering. The burnt offering was a picture of what satisfied God, as it is associated with Christ, it is especially interested with the satisfaction of God in both the life and death of Christ.

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