Thoughts for the 4th of July

I have never read the Declaration of Independence. That may come as no sur­prise to you if you know me well enough — I’ve not read many things which I should have by now. So today, I am read­ing the Declaration, and I am shar­ing it here for you as well, giv­ing you the oppor­tu­nity to read it if you have not.

In read­ing it, I have not only learned what “con­san­guin­ity” means, but I have seen that belief in God really is part of our American her­itage; in the Declaration He is referred to a num­ber of times in ways which can only be asserted by theists.

These men, who staked their lives on their free­dom and who include such men as Benjamin Franklin & Thomas Jefferson, in affirm­ing their inde­pen­dence did so by invok­ing a most per­sonal God. A God who…

  • is the God of nature who enti­tles men to just government,
  • is the Creator who enti­tles men to unalien­able rights,
  • is the Supreme Judge of the world, and
  • is the exer­ciser of Divine Providence upon which the Founding Fathers relied.

In essence, in declar­ing their inde­pen­dence from Great Britain, these men declared their depen­dence upon God, from whom proper gov­ern­men­tal author­ity is derived.

Today, this depen­dence upon God is being chal­lenged every­where in American gov­ern­ment. As the American gov­ern­ment for­gets its roots and for­gets upon whom they depend, we will increas­ingly see abuses of power and dete­ri­o­ra­tion of free­doms within America, just as is hap­pen­ing even now with our neigh­bor Canada.

I guess it could be pointed out that our gov­ern­ment isn’t based upon the Declaration but rather upon the Constitution. Fair enough. You could also say that the Constitution isn’t as bla­tantly the­ist as the Declaration is. Also, fair enough. But to make the leap, then, that America doesn’t have Christian roots is some­thing I do not believe is pos­si­ble. If any­thing, the Declaration reveals the mind set of early Americans to be that gov­ern­ment is sub­ject to God in a very real way. I do not believe they could have com­pletely ignored such con­vic­tions while writ­ing the Constitution lest they have come up with some­thing com­pletely dif­fer­ent than what they did. Frankly, sec­u­lar­ism does not breed free­dom, par­tic­u­larly of reli­gion or expres­sion. Again, just check out what’s hap­pen­ing in Canada.

Anyway, at the very least, today we cel­e­brate the inde­pen­dence of America, an inde­pen­dence which was declared via a doc­u­ment which at the least was the­ist if not wholly Judeo-​​Christian.

Read through the Declaration and be reminded of just what sorts of things the founders of America con­sid­ered to be usurpa­tions of proper gov­ern­men­tal author­ity. Some of the acts, as writ­ten, remind me of cer­tain ele­ments tak­ing place today in our government.

He has erected a mul­ti­tude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our peo­ple and eat out their substance.” — The founders advo­cated for a very lim­ited fed­eral gov­ern­ment, which is just the sort of gov­ern­ment we today don’t find in America. We do, how­ever, find all sorts of new offices being estab­lished by the government.

He has com­bined with oth­ers to sub­ject us to a juris­dic­tion for­eign to our con­sti­tu­tion, and unac­knowl­edged by our laws; giv­ing his Assent to their Acts of pre­tended Legislation.” — The founders believed in the sov­er­eignty of a nation and would not sub­ject Americans to pow­ers for­eign to our own con­sti­tu­tion. Today, the head­quar­ters of the United Nations resides on American soil and far too few politi­cians (such as Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin) are call­ing for America’s com­plete inde­pen­dence of such uncon­sti­tu­tional pow­ers over American citizens.

The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes nec­es­sary for one peo­ple to dis­solve the polit­i­cal bands which have con­nected them with another and to assume among the pow­ers of the earth, the sep­a­rate and equal sta­tion to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God enti­tle them, a decent respect to the opin­ions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-​​evident, that all men are cre­ated equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with cer­tain unalien­able Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pur­suit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are insti­tuted among Men, deriv­ing their just pow­ers from the con­sent of the governed, — That when­ever any Form of Government becomes destruc­tive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abol­ish it, and to insti­tute new Government, lay­ing its foun­da­tion on such prin­ci­ples and orga­niz­ing its pow­ers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dic­tate that Governments long estab­lished should not be changed for light and tran­sient causes; and accord­ingly all expe­ri­ence hath shewn that mankind are more dis­posed to suf­fer, while evils are suf­fer­able than to right them­selves by abol­ish­ing the forms to which they are accus­tomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpa­tions, pur­su­ing invari­ably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to pro­vide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient suf­fer­ance of these Colonies; and such is now the neces­sity which con­strains them to alter their for­mer Systems of Government. The his­tory of the present King of Great Britain is a his­tory of repeated injuries and usurpa­tions, all hav­ing in direct object the estab­lish­ment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be sub­mit­ted to a can­did world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most whole­some and nec­es­sary for the pub­lic good.

He has for­bid­den his Governors to pass Laws of imme­di­ate and press­ing impor­tance, unless sus­pended in their oper­a­tion till his Assent should be obtained; and when so sus­pended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accom­mo­da­tion of large dis­tricts of peo­ple, unless those peo­ple would relin­quish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right ines­timable to them and for­mi­da­ble to tyrants only.

He has called together leg­isla­tive bod­ies at places unusual, uncom­fort­able, and dis­tant from the depos­i­tory of their Public Records, for the sole pur­pose of fatigu­ing them into com­pli­ance with his measures.

He has dis­solved Representative Houses repeat­edly, for oppos­ing with manly firm­ness his inva­sions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dis­so­lu­tions, to cause oth­ers to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, inca­pable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exer­cise; the State remain­ing in the mean time exposed to all the dan­gers of inva­sion from with­out, and con­vul­sions within.

He has endeav­oured to pre­vent the pop­u­la­tion of these States; for that pur­pose obstruct­ing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refus­ing to pass oth­ers to encour­age their migra­tions hither, and rais­ing the con­di­tions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refus­ing his Assent to Laws for estab­lish­ing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges depen­dent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and pay­ment of their salaries.

He has erected a mul­ti­tude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our peo­ple and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies with­out the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to ren­der the Military inde­pen­dent of and supe­rior to the Civil Power.

He has com­bined with oth­ers to sub­ject us to a juris­dic­tion for­eign to our con­sti­tu­tion, and unac­knowl­edged by our laws; giv­ing his Assent to their Acts of pre­tended Legislation:

For quar­ter­ing large bod­ies of armed troops among us:

For pro­tect­ing them, by a mock Trial from pun­ish­ment for any Murders which they should com­mit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cut­ting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For impos­ing Taxes on us with­out our Consent:

For depriv­ing us in many cases, of the ben­e­fit of Trial by Jury:

For trans­port­ing us beyond Seas to be tried for pre­tended offences:

For abol­ish­ing the free System of English Laws in a neigh­bour­ing Province, estab­lish­ing therein an Arbitrary gov­ern­ment, and enlarg­ing its Boundaries so as to ren­der it at once an exam­ple and fit instru­ment for intro­duc­ing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For tak­ing away our Charters, abol­ish­ing our most valu­able Laws and alter­ing fun­da­men­tally the Forms of our Governments:

For sus­pend­ing our own Legislatures, and declar­ing them­selves invested with power to leg­is­late for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdi­cated Government here, by declar­ing us out of his Protection and wag­ing War against us.

He has plun­dered our seas, rav­aged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time trans­port­ing large Armies of for­eign Mercenaries to com­pleat the works of death, des­o­la­tion, and tyranny, already begun with cir­cum­stances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely par­al­leled in the most bar­barous ages, and totally unwor­thy the Head of a civ­i­lized nation.

He has con­strained our fel­low Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the exe­cu­tion­ers of their friends and Brethren, or to fall them­selves by their Hands.

He has excited domes­tic insur­rec­tions amongst us, and has endeav­oured to bring on the inhab­i­tants of our fron­tiers, the mer­ci­less Indian Savages whose known rule of war­fare, is an undis­tin­guished destruc­tion of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most hum­ble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose char­ac­ter is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been want­ing in atten­tions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their leg­is­la­ture to extend an unwar­rantable juris­dic­tion over us. We have reminded them of the cir­cum­stances of our emi­gra­tion and set­tle­ment here. We have appealed to their native jus­tice and mag­na­nim­ity, and we have con­jured them by the ties of our com­mon kin­dred to dis­avow these usurpa­tions, which would inevitably inter­rupt our con­nec­tions and cor­re­spon­dence. They too have been deaf to the voice of jus­tice and of con­san­guin­ity. We must, there­fore, acqui­esce in the neces­sity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, there­fore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appeal­ing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rec­ti­tude of our inten­tions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly pub­lish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all polit­i­cal con­nec­tion between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dis­solved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, con­clude Peace, con­tract Alliances, estab­lish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the sup­port of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the pro­tec­tion of Divine Providence, we mutu­ally pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Today we, as Americans, cel­e­brate our Independence Day, but may we do so remem­ber­ing that the preser­va­tion of the Republic and of con­sti­tu­tional gov­ern­ment is not some­thing which ended 232 years ago. If we value our free­doms and the ideals of the Founders, we must con­tin­u­ally strive for them. That is why what Ron Paul has advo­cated for has been called a “rev­o­lu­tion”; it is a cast­ing off of so much of what Americans have been all but forced to accept and a re-​​prioritation of gov­ern­men­tal pow­ers to bet­ter resem­ble what was so care­fully crafted cen­turies ago.

And if you are a Christian read­ing this and do not feel it nec­es­sary for a Christian to con­cern him­self with such things, I must beg to dif­fer and, in doing so, rec­om­mend Francis Schaeffer’s A Christian Manifesto, which explains the Reformation ori­gins of the American repub­lic form of gov­ern­ment as well as the Christian’s duty in regards to gov­ern­men­tal pow­ers and abuses thereof. Certainly, we can­not neglect evan­ge­lism as the pri­mary mis­sion of the church, but we can­not sim­ply accept the dimin­ish­ing free­doms asso­ci­ated there­with in America.

Whether you agree with the above sen­ti­ments or not, I hope you have a great Independence Day week­end as we express to the Supreme Judge of the world our grat­i­tude for not liv­ing under a tyran­ni­cal monar­chy… and as we express our com­plete depen­dence upon the Creator for our life, our lib­erty, and our hap­pi­ness. Praise God from whom all bless­ings flow.

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12 Responses to Thoughts for the 4th of July

  1. Senior says:

    a “rev­o­lu­tion”; it is a cast­ing off of so much of what Americans have been all but forced to accept and a repri­or­i­ta­tion of gov­ern­men­tal pow­ers to bet­ter resem­ble what was so care­fully crafted cen­turies ago”

    Forced” to accept??

    I’m sure there are aspects of gov­ern­ment that you are “forced” to accept. I know there are aspects that I am “forced” to accept.

    But that Americans in gen­eral are “forced” to accept??

    There are a few instances where the major­ity has been forced to accept things that a minor­ity wished for (end of slav­ery, minor­ity vot­ing rights, etc.). But even in those cases, the “major­ity” may not nec­es­sar­ily have been a majority.

    You want to get rid of a gov­ern­ment pro­gram?? Then orga­nize enough peo­ple to force con­gress to get rid of it. It will take a lot of peo­ple, but it can be done (keep in mind the folks who ben­e­fit from the pro­gram you want to get rid of will fight to keep it, so it takes a LOT of people…)

    Can’t get all those peo­ple?? Hmmm, maybe Americans in gen­eral are not bear­ing a bur­den forced upon them by the government.

    Revolution?? That would just clean things up for awhile, but the prob­lems that caused the fed­eral gov­ern­ment to grow would sim­ply reap­pear and the process would repeat.

    State gov­ern­ment has it’s place, but the states are stuck try­ing to reg­u­late cor­po­ra­tions that (in many cases) have more money (read: power) than the state does. Also, the corps have the option of sim­ply not doing busi­ness in a given state, so the states can only do so much. This same met­ric takes place internationally.

    Also, his­tor­i­cally, the states have been slower to pro­vide their cit­i­zens with equal rights.

    You men­tion Canada and I can’t help but think you are think­ing of your ear­lier post about the Christian who had to deal with the pos­si­bil­ity of break­ing the law if he preached against homosexuals.

    And I see the prob­lem there.

    But what about the other side of the coin?? Should he be free to preach so vehe­mently against gays the some in the con­gre­ga­tion are moti­vated to go out and com­mit crimes against gays??

    I sus­pect that that is the prin­ci­ple rea­son for the exis­tence of the laws.

    In the­ory that law would pro­tect Christians from Muslim preach­ers vehe­mently preach­ing against Christians to the point that the fol­low­ers would com­mit crimes against Christians.

    Balancing reli­gious free­doms is tricky work.

    May you and Alicia have a ter­rific Fourth!!

  2. Walt Dickinson says:

    Rick, I do hope you are not sug­gest­ing Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were Christians.

    Granted, they were not athe­ists. Therefore, they did have reli­gious con­vic­tions, albeit deis­tic rather than the­is­tic. But they were not Christians, and a basic knowl­edge of his­tory can sup­port this.

    Take Jefferson, for exam­ple. He com­piled what we know as “The Jefferson Bible” wherein is his per­sonal opin­ion about what Jesus really did teach. In the Jefferson Bible, you will not find a sin­gle ref­er­ence to the deity of Jesus, the Trinity, mir­a­cles (includ­ing the vir­gin birth and the res­ur­rec­tion of Jesus). Why? Because he believed that all these were mis­in­ter­pre­ta­tions of Jesus’ teach­ing added to the Gospels by the four Evangelists. Of course, you and I both know that in order to be a Christian, a per­son needs to believe in the com­plete deity of Jesus Christ.

    What about Benjamin Franklin? No, he didn’t believe in the divin­ity of Jesus, either. In a let­ter to Ezra Stiles, he wrote, “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you par­tic­u­larly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I appre­hend it has received var­i­ous cor­rupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity.”

    Were they reli­gious men? Yes, there is no deny­ing that. But to sug­gest they were Christians is to turn a blind eye to what his­tory has so kindly recorded for us.

  3. Walt Dickinson says:

    Rick writes, “If any­thing, the Declaration reveals the mind set of early Americans to be that gov­ern­ment is sub­ject to God.”

    Declaration states, “Governments are insti­tuted among Men, deriv­ing their just pow­ers from the con­sent of the governed.”

    The dif­fer­ence? Government, accord­ing to the Declaration, is sub­ject to the gov­erned. Not God.

  4. Rick Beckman says:

    Walt Dickinson: I did not sug­gest that Franklin & Jefferson were Christians. I know that they were not. I included them because even they accepted & signed a doc­u­ment which claimed author­ity in a vari­ety ways upon a God who is a whole lot more than the tra­di­tional deist con­cept of Him: He is Creator, nature’s God, Supreme Judge, and He who has domin­ion over man. The god of the deists can claim none of those attributes.

    I sim­ply find it fas­ci­nat­ing that in estab­lish­ing our nation, these intel­li­gent men moved away from their beliefs toward a Judeo-​​Christian con­cept of God. It’s amaz­ing to me because today we see the com­plete oppo­site; gov­ern­ment is mov­ing away from God in any form as quickly as court deci­sions or pop­u­lar opin­ion will allow.

    Regarding my state­ment that gov­ern­ment is sub­ject to God, I believe the dec­la­ra­tion sup­ports this. The whole con­text of the state­ment you quoted is the unalien­able rights which are endowed by the Creator; to secure these rights, gov­ern­ments are insti­tuted among men — insti­tuted by who? I would say God, and I’m sure the framers had in mind Romans 13:1 – 7, the first verse using even the same lan­guage: “For there is no author­ity except from God, and those that exist have been insti­tuted by God.”

    That gov­ern­ment derives its pow­ers from men still refers back to the rights; if gov­ern­ment vio­lates these unalien­able rights, it is no longer exer­cis­ing “just pow­ers” and must be cast off. That there ought to be human gov­ern­ment, how­ever, is an insti­tu­tion of God and all are sub­ject to Him. I doubt the framers would dis­agree, espe­cially in light of their recog­ni­tion of Him as Supreme Judge who exer­cises providence.

    Unless of course the writ­ers of the Declaration were being com­pletely hyp­o­crit­i­cal in the use of faith­ful lan­guage as men are apt to do… I sup­pose that is a pos­si­bil­ity, but then what I’ve always been taught about these men is that they were of an upstand­ing char­ac­ter. Hypocrisy doesn’t seem becom­ing of them.

  5. Walt Dickinson says:

    Rick, sorry if I offended/​hurt you. After reread­ing my last com­ments, I noticed I appeared way too antag­o­nis­tic, which, in hind­sight, I think I was.

    I don’t know why I felt the need to lash out at you. I guess it’s just because I think we can­not legit­i­mately say that America (or, rather, the DoI and the CotUSA) is founded on Christianity. You can make the argu­ment that it was founded on Christian-​​like beliefs, but “Christian-​​like” and “Christian” are two inher­ently seper­ate things. Mormonism, for exam­ple, is very Christian-​​like, but it is, and never can be, Christian. It is a false reli­gion that poses to be truth. (Then again, I’m not exactly a Christian myself, but that’s nei­ther here nor now).

    True, both Jefferson and Franklin had a dif­fer­ent con­cept of God than “pure deists” did, but that doesn’t mean they “moved toward a Judeo-​​Christian con­cept of God.” A false god is a false god is a false god, no mat­ter how much it resem­bles the true God. And because it is this false god that Jefferson and Franklin had in mind when writ­ing the DoI, I’m still skep­ti­cal as to whether it can rea­son­ably be said America is founded on Christianity.

    I read Schaeffer’s “Christian Manifesto” (well, a lit­tle over half of it. I also read “How Then Should We Live,” which was really fas­ci­nat­ing, read it if you haven’t.), so I know about the courts and judges that argue in favor of the “America is a Christian nation.” Of course, a lit­tle knowl­edge in his­tory tells me that the founders were, in large part, Puritans.

    However, just because we start out in some way, doesn’t mean we should stay that way (assum­ing America was founded on Christianity). Granted, you would dis­agree. :P

    Either way, this was a great dis­cus­sion. I love a rous­ing his­tory debate (which I’m actu­ally think­ing of hav­ing as a sec­ond major once I go to col­lege next year).

    Again, sorry about my rudeness.

  6. Rick Beckman says:

    Walt Dickinson: “Rick, sorry if I offended/​hurt you. After reread­ing my last com­ments, I noticed I appeared way too antag­o­nis­tic, which, in hind­sight, I think I was.” — I didn’t think you were; if your com­ments were you being overly antag­o­nis­tic, then you’re doing quite well. :)

    I agree that America should grow. However, as argued by Schaeffer in his Manifesto, it is the free­doms & form of gov­ern­ment which we have in America which must be safe­guarded. It’s less about main­tain­ing the “Christian-​​esque” aspects of it and more about main­tain­ing the con­sti­tu­tion­al­ity of it — that we are a Republic and that the gov­ern­ment is sub­ject to a spe­cific law — the Constitution.

    Such a gov­ern­men­tal sys­tem has its roots in Protestant Christianity, aris­ing out of the Reformation from the work of Samuel Rutherford, who was seen as trea­so­nous in England for dar­ing to ques­tion the divine right of roy­alty, as well as fol­lowup work by the (nonchris­t­ian) John Locke.

    Schaeffer argues that it is the Christian basis & under­stand­ing of this form of gov­ern­ment which makes it work and that when it is imple­mented in nations which do not have a Christian base or world­view, the results are not pretty. Of course, I do not know enough about world his­tory to know what the heck he is talk­ing about. :P

    He also points out that the big chal­lenges to Christianity or sep­a­ra­tion of church & state or var­i­ous other things in America didn’t exist until mass immi­gra­tion in the early 20th Century brought in mil­lions who did not have the same Christian world­view — not nec­es­sar­ily Christian beliefs specif­i­cally, but rather a “big pic­ture” view of the world.

    Schaeffer rec­om­mended How Then Should We Live about a thou­sand and two times in A Christian Manifesto, but thank you also for the rec­om­men­da­tion. It does seem like a book I would enjoy and ben­e­fit from; I just need to get through my cur­rent umpteen books that I’m reading.

    Again, don’t worry about the rude­ness; I didn’t even notice it. :P

    (And I take it you’re in high school? I’ve been think­ing you were at least my age if not older!)

    Take care!

  7. Brandon says:

    Senior wrote: “Should he be free to preach so vehe­mently against gays the some in the con­gre­ga­tion are moti­vated to go out and com­mit crimes against gays??

    I sus­pect that that is the prin­ci­ple rea­son for the exis­tence of the laws.

    Unfortunately the law is in place to end the sem­b­lence of intol­er­ance towards homo­sex­u­als. It is not the rad­i­cals they are try­ing to curb, indeed we have a sur­pris­ing few right wing rad­i­cals, it is the middle-​​of-​​the-​​road conservative-​​but-​​do-​​little-​​but-​​talk-​​about-​​it types it is levied against.

  8. Walt Dickinson says:

    Senior wrote, “Should he be free to preach so vehe­mently against gays the some in the con­gre­ga­tion are moti­vated to go out and com­mit crimes against gays??”

    I find this a bit ironic, because I am pro-​​gay rights, but I think every Christian (pas­tors or con­gre­ga­tion) should have the free­dom of speech granted within the First Amendment to express their dis­plea­sure with homo­sex­u­als. I am fiercely against any piece of leg­is­la­tion that destroys an American’s indi­vid­ual right to free speech. If, how­ever, a pas­tor were to rail against homo­sex­u­als in such a way that there is a clear link between his ser­mon and a crime involv­ing the abuse of a homosexual(s), I would have no prob­lem with the hate-​​crime bill.

    I agree that silenc­ing a Christian’s belief is wrong, how­ever much I may dis­agree with it. Civil dis­cus­sion is the best policy.

    Although, Senior is right. Hate-​​crime bills are in place because, in prin­ci­ple, they are meant to pro­tect homo­sex­u­als from rad­i­cals. Sadly, hate-​​crime bills are, in prac­tice, used against oth­er­wise inno­cent Christians to fur­ther the infa­mous “gay agenda.”

  9. Rick Beckman says:

    Walt Dickinson: Just curi­ous about some­thing you said, about dis­agree­ing with the Christian’s belief. I’m curi­ous how that cor­re­lates with what you told me on this past April 27:

    For the past five days now, I’ve really felt the pres­ence of God. I’ve kept to my Bible read­ings, I’ve kept to my prayers. Last night I mem­o­rized five pas­sages of Scripture (John 10:10, 1 John 2:1, Psalm 51:1 – 3, Romans 10:9 – 10, and Matthew 1:1 – 4). But the best part of it all is the fact that I feel so free from my sin­ful nature! God has removed all desire to flee from Him.

  10. Walt Dickinson says:

    Put two and two together, have you, Rick? Well, I didn’t expect you to take too long. :)

    Just curi­ous, though, where exactly did I say that? Because I didn’t find it at all in your archives.

    Anyway, like you, opin­ions change. I know we’re talk­ing about me here, but wasn’t it you who said some­thing along the lines, “I’m sorry for hav­ing for­got­ten about Jesus, and telling every­one I know about Ron Paul. Jesus Christ is the only Person that mat­ters?” And look at you now! Somewhere along the way you man­aged to rec­on­cile your faith with your politics.

    I am on the same road, only instead of pol­i­tics, it’s human sexuality.

  11. Rick Beckman says:

    Walt Dickinson: The quote came from a pri­vate mes­sage on the Hall when you mes­sage and said you were through with the “Mr. E. Nigma” account.

    The quasi-​​quote you gave wasn’t a change in opin­ion, rather a con­fes­sion that my pri­or­i­ties were a bit out of whack. I’ve still not fully rec­on­ciled faith & pol­i­tics; peo­ple have been try­ing to for 2,000 years… I don’t reckon I will. As for the big­ger issue…

    Reconciling homo­sex­u­al­ity & bib­li­cal faith is some­thing that is an impos­si­bil­ity; to embrace one is to reject the other. Either God’s Word is truth or it is not, and I would rec­om­mend to you The Same Sex Controversy: Defending and Clarifying the Bible’s Message about Homosexuality by James White & Jeffrey Niell.

    I know you well enough to know that you under­stand the Truth, and I also know that you know that if you com­pro­mise Truth, the only thing that remains is a lie.

    You’re a good friend and I care about you, Justin… and I fear that you are jeop­ar­diz­ing your soul. What profit is it to gain a homo­sex­ual rela­tion­ship if it costs you your soul, and how much of an idol is it that you would refuse to cast it aside to embrace the Father of Lights?

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